Hey hey is coming back as a fan I cant wait.Is anyone else looking forward to this funny program coming back.I loved red faces and imagine how many different guest there will be?
It is indeed my opinion, I'm not black, but you can be sure it is an opinion shared by people who are. It is your opinion that you found nothing malicious or racially motivated. I did, I've studied history, know the origins of blackface, seen the black and white minstrels demeaning black people and am not ignorant to the condescending and racist manner by which is was potrayed in the skit.
Please tell me, how does white people voluntarily darkening their skin, for superficial reasons have anything to do with 5 white men, painting themselves black and acting like buffoons to perpetuate a racist stereotype of black people. You'd have to ask the people who wear fake tans why they do, most likely for vanity reasons and because they think it looks good. The only people doing the dramatizing were the idiots painting themselves black to stir up trouble.
It wasn't to joke to most black people, only people who find 5 men painting themselves black and making fun of a black persons pain, backed by the extreme racism during the popularity of the black and white minstrel shows. That far from amuses me :) Yes, so far nobody has insulted your heritage (albeit the insults wouldn't have the racist history behind them, assuming you're white), so until you've been the victim of extreme racism, then you can talk about rising above it. You sort of contradicted yourself by the way, saying you found nothing malicious or racially motivated in the skit, then saying you'd rise above it if someone insulted your heritage, inferring that the people in the skit did do so.
So what if you have studied history ?! I am studying history, almost completed my degree.
If 5 black man painted themselves in white and did a spoof of the back street boys would you get offended? And call it racist?
You may have been offended, but you have totally missed the point I think. Look back to what my posts say and try and understand what i have said.
Personally I find your posts offensive Magic...
Exactly what I thought was the problem with the skit, so close to the loss of a musical legend like MJ, but, in their own way the group were only trying to celebrate the Jackson Five...
I won't hold it against anyone who was offended by the skit, if they don't hold it against me that I wasn't
To you it is an opinion, to me it is a fact. Have you done African American studies, possibly not, so please don't tell me what you think is facts and confuse it with your opinion. Yes, you accuse me of stirring the pot and not the people doing the actual stirring (or let me guess you think by doing the skit, they had no knowledge that people would be offended by it), a bit hypocritical! Notice, I said majority, not 'putting all black people into the same group', so maybe you should get that fact straight.
If you aware of history, the black and white minstrels, blackface and the racist stereotypes of black people back then, it is blatantly obvious that it was condescending to some black people and definitely had some racial undertones in it. Why was it, the people performing the skit asked for approval and were hesitant before airing it the skit? They knew people were offended by it before, when it was aired on The Footy Show and they were very well aware of the fact that it wouldn't be any different now. They knew exactly what they were doing! If you think I have an issue with the facts (lol), then why don't you go ahead and refute my arguments instead of creating strawman fallacies that deflect from the points I was making and throwing out statements without any evidence :)
Never did I explicitly say ALL black people, that's what you assumed. The post was in the context of 'living black back then' and why black people who did live through racism back then, would be offended by it now, that's not to disregard people who haven't lived through that but still think its offensive. Didn't you say you weren't going to respond because of my alleged issues with the facts? :)
Why should it matter what the colour of your skin means??? Deep down inside we're all exactly the same, have any african americans in our generation been down cast and depicted as inferior, I sure hope not, in my opinion they're better singer's and dancers than Caucasians, does that make me racist to my own race??? This is confusing
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone... I just hope it doesn't hurt anyone
Yes, racism is still alive and kicking in Australia, albeit a more subtle, institutionalized racism where people hide their prejudices because obviously people don't want to be identified as a racist and the negative connotations that go with it, but I'd say Australia has improved greatly from the past, still quite some way to go though. Hmm, I don't think it makes you racist, since their is no malicious intent..but I don't like the stereotype because their are plenty of white singers that are great too.
Sorry, double post!
i figured it out.
you like the sound of your own voice.
bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.
keep banging, we still weren't offended. it doesn't mean we don't care about others feelings, we just weren't offended.
Of course you weren't offended, once again this isn't about you, I'm sorry but the world does not revolve around YOU. What do you mean by 'we', you do realise not everyone shares your opinion. I thought it was culturally insensitive and offensive to black people, you probably found it amusing. I did not. Typing on a keyboard doesn't constitute hearing my own voice, so that doesn't make any sense. What's with the bangs, you trying to shoot a gun or something? You just don't like hearing people with an opposite opinion because it challenges your own, so instead of refuting my statements you resort to personal insults that are entirely irrelevant and deflect from the issue, which was why it was offensive to some black people (once again, of course it wasn't offensive to you)..very classy lol, you know what they say, the truth does hurt and I can definitely see that in some peoples responses. Very eye-opening.
Personally I didn't find it funny but neither do I think the guys had malicious intent and I love the irony of the situation, the doctors performing the skit were all of Middle Eastern/Asian descent, not some red-necked, white hicks (which too would be a stereotype).
As it has been pointed out we are in Australia and have a very different social history to that of the United States so their actions would have come from a very different perspective. We also have a very different sense of humour and I actually find that a lot of American humour is more directly offensive while Aussies tend to be very ironic and tongue-in-cheek with our humour. We generally only send up the people we actually like and respect.
It has also been pointed out on news programs that Ted Danson, who was at the time the boyfriend of Whoopie Goldberg who is one of the people whinging, attended a major public event in blackface with Whoopie's encouragment. Can anyone say hypocrite? I also find that the comedians who seem to enjoy offending black Americans are black Americans, Chris Rock anyone? He can't seem to say a joke without using the word n**ger, is it OK then since he's black himself???
Obviously this topic can go round and round and round, especially with people commenting from completely different angles, so let's just agree to disagree and stop being offensive and condescending and get back to all of the great beauty stuff.
BH is meant to be fun so let's have fun.
Well said, StayC!!
Over the last couple of days I have found myself completely bewildered in regards how big a deal one skit has become.
Having watched the show and seen said sketch. I am saddened by the outpouring of hate Australia has received from other countries. I can see how this sketch in America could be seen as offensive but to tar a whole country over it??
Yes some Australians are rascist. Rascism is not a problem that is isolated in Australian it can still be found all over the world and will always remain in the world until we learn how to love each and every individual/group as they are.
Additionally has anyone in the media covering this story looked at the fact that it was a multicultural group performing this skit from a variety of ethnic-australian background.
In this whole sorry saga it is the doctors I feel sorry for. Clearly they were asked to come back and reprise a skit they did more than 20years ago for a bit of fun and to help a charity. Instead they have been condemned by the media and the rest of the world as being rascists?
One of the things I love most about being Australian is that we do have such diversity in our culture. People from all around the world live in one country and for the majority of the time we have no problems amongst different groups.
Sadly this year has not been a good year as far as this goes but everyday Australians are all working together to create a brighter future.
This thread seems to be getting a little out of control. Everyone is entitled to their own views but when the tone becomes unpleasant (as I feel this conversation has) it is bh's decision to put a stop to it. Therefore, this post is now locked.
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